Third Refinance

Yesterday, I closed on my third refinance. This is my fourth loan for the house in just over 6 years of owning it (http://eis271828.blogspot.com/2007/05/house-closing.html). I opted for a 15-year loan at 3.000% interest, which was the no-cost refinance rate. My out-of-pocket costs were #3115.86, which included $1549.21 in principal reduction, because I wanted the new loan to be a nice round $200K, and the customary prepaid interest and escrow pre-funding. I should get $1,433.34 refunded from my old escrow in awhile. Not too bad.

The 3% interest rate is lower than my estimated long-term rate of inflation (http://eis271828.blogspot.com/2010/08/annualized-inflation.html), which means I am borrowing money for free! The principal portion of my payment is also hugely higher than the interest portion, which makes me all kinds of happy inside. Because I was paying slightly extra on my old loan, my new payment is only about $20 more per month. I will not be paying anything extra toward this mortgage. Except, I am guessing that as I approach the end of the term, I will want to get rid of the monthly payment and still pay it off early.

I also have a nice happy feeling because I just helped the economy! For the most part, mortgages are owned by wealthy companies/individuals, and I lowered the interest rate they're earning from 4% to 3%. My local broker got some extra income, the state of Kansas got some extra fees, and everyone came out ahead!

Refinance, Round 2

I refinanced my mortgage back in May of 2009, and it's apparently time to do so again. I'm going about things a bit differently, this time. I'm using the same mortgage broker as last time, though he's with a different company now: First Trust Mortgage. I guess I'm just listening to his advice more now.

Currently, I pay $1400/month, which includes a decent pre-payment amount, and I would currently pay off my mortgage in 230 more months. I decided to formalize that this time around and get a 20-year mortgage, which lowered my rate 0.25% compared to a new 30-year. This puts my required payment at just under $1300/month, which means I'll round up to $1300, of course. So, I'll increase my projected term by 8 months, but save $100/month and pay less in interest.

Another change is that I've opted for a no-cost refinance. Here, the lender pays my closing costs in exchange for an increased rate of 0.25%. I crunched the numbers again, and paying the costs myself for the 0.25% would save me 2 months off the end of my loan. If I refinance again, or pay it off early (likely once I get down to the last few 10,000s in principal), paying the extra money out of pocket now does me little to no good. I don't plan on refinancing again, but I didn't think rates would drop when I refinanced two years ago, yet here I am.

I'm quickly realizing that no-cost refinances don't mean there are no out-of-pocket expenses. I still have to pay the prepaid interest that accumulates between my closing date and the date of my first payment on the new loan. And I have to pay the accumulated interest on my current loan between my last payment and the closing date. I've also opted NOT to waive escrow this time. So, I'm shifting some expenses from December up to now, to the tune of roughly $3300. Add the interest payments, and it'll be more than $4000 out of pocket. It's all money I would be paying this year anyway, though.

One of the main reasons I decided to not waive escrow (I still think this is one of the stupidest terms - you aren't waiving escrow, you're paying in order to not do it) is that I was told you can often call your lender after awhile and request to waive escrow then - with no costs. They don't have to let you do it, but it sounds like they often do. I also have the spare cash now, whereas I didn't have nearly the reserves in 2009. So, I can shift my payments from December to now in order to save $500 or so. And again, if I do refinance again, that money would either be paid to waive escrow again, or I'd be back where I am now.

Another interesting tidbit came from my credit scores. Back in 2009, I averaged around 796, I'm pretty sure. Now, I'm averaging just above the top tier cutoff of 740. I'm pretty sure most of the loss is from getting a credit card back in December that I've been regularly putting large balances on and then paying off again. The combination of the recent credit application, high utilization on that card, and some randomly high activity on a credit card of my parents' that they included me on long ago in order to build my credit history, has resulted in a slight ding on my credit. It still seems to be OK, since I'm over 740 on all three. However, it would be quite annoying to have problems because of these otherwise irrelevant credit score fluctuations. I'll find out within the month!

Mortgage Refinance Completed

On Wednesday, May 20, 2009, I completed my first mortgage refinance using United Home Loans. I stayed with a 30-year fixed mortgage, but was able to reduce my interest rate down to 4.625% and save $176.51/month on my monthly payment. The process will have increased my principal by ~$5000, but a lot of that is the interest for the month of May that I rolled into the new loan, a quarter point for waiving escrow, plus some money back to ensure that I didn't have to mess with getting a cashier's check. The closing costs were comparable to the other places I looked, and the rates were quite competitive.

Most importantly, yesterday marked one of the worst days in the MBS (mortgage-backed securities) market, which resulted in rates climbing into the 5.25%-5.5% range. I timed my closing pretty well! The site I follow, Mortgage News Daily, seems to think rates will come down again this year, but it's a whole different feeling to follow the MBS market when I have no direct financial stake in the matter.

A couple people have expressed surprise that I decided to waive escrow, seeing how it cost me .25% of my loan amount. I did some number crunching before coming to this decision, and in my case it definitely made sense. First, I had just paid property taxes, and my insurance doesn't have to be renewed until December, yet they were going to collect 6 months worth up front, or about $3000. I don't think I'd like to pay $3000 out of pocket now if I don't have to, which means I probably would have rolled that cost into the new loan amount. A $3000 loan equates to $15.42/month in extra payments, which means I will recoup my escrow payment in about 3 years directly. That .25% is listed as a discount point, though, which means its tax-deductible. I also get some interest on the $3000 that can stay in my savings account (I actually used it to max out my Roth IRA for the year, so hopefully that will result in even better returns). I also keep the flexibility of scheduling my property tax payments. This gives me the opportunity to shift my tax burden between years a bit by paying either half or all my property taxes in December. Mostly, I don't like the idea of giving my money to somebody and getting nothing out of it, so there is psychological value for me in waiving escrow.

Some of the closing costs are offset by not making a payment in the beginning of June (at the cost of increased principal, of course). This will mean $1500 extra into my pocket this month. I think I will lower my payment to $1400/month on my new loan, however. This will mean an extra $100/month for me, but still be prepaying my mortgage faster than I was on my old loan. Here, I'm fighting the strong psychological benefit of paying off debt with the intellectual knowledge that prepaying on a 4.625% (tax-deductible) loan almost certainly is not the best use of my money. I just love seeing the balance jump down!

Taxes 2008

This post is analogous to last year's tax post.

Taxes for 2008 turned out to be much simpler than last year for the following reasons:

• I only lived in one state, and so did not need to split my income.


• I closed one of my accounts to pay for the down payment on my house in 2007, so I no longer have to worry about all those forms and trades. That account had tons of trading activity.


• I was familiar with which sites I needed to log in to in order to get various 1099 forms - mainly Countrywide.


• TurboTax imported last year's return so I didn't have as much data entry on my personal information.

I was actually fairly pleased with TurboTax. It still had a few problems (there was no official way to enter short sales [such as cash-secured puts], so I'm not sure I did that right, but the total profits/losses are correct), but was improved from last year overall.

In addition to TurboTax, I used Kansas' WebFile page to e-file my Kansas return. I basically just entered things in line by line from the form TurboTax generated, but didn't have to print it out or mail it. I think that will be the more environmentally friendly route, plus get me my refund sooner.

Speaking of refunds, I get big refunds! From the federal government, I get $5397 back, and I get $854 from Kansas. Governments, you're welcome for the 0% loans over the last year! Please place money in my savings account soon.

What will I do with all that money? Well, you should read this post on things I want to buy, and this post on mortgage refinancing, all while keeping in mind that a cash reserve is nice to have and build.

Why was my refund so large when I owed so much last year? Another list:

• This was my first full year of paying my mortgage, which means a full year of mortgage interest deducted.


• This year sucked for investments, so I had no realized capital gains. I'd rather pay taxes than not be building wealth, though.


• This was my first full year of paying property taxes, which are deductible.

Refinancing Calculator

I'm actually pretty proud of the utility of this calculator. I hope you find it as helpful as I have in finding the interest rate needed to make refinancing make sense.

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First off, I apologize for any style issues. Using blogger has it's drawbacks, especially when putting scripts or styles in a post - the formatting has to be unreadable or the automatic line-breaks-to-br-tags conversion makes them not work at all. I also can't make the table any wider without really screwing things up, apparently. Now, on to the explanation:

Hopefully all the columns are self-explanatory except the last few. The "Monthly Savings" column refers to the difference in total payment amounts. The adjacent "Months to Recoup Costs" column uses this value to figure out how many months it would take before your out-of-pocket costs are back in your pocket. Thus, this column is best used when you are NOT financing your closing costs as part of the new loan.

The "Monthly Interest Savings" column is how much less (or more) interest you pay per month as part of your monthly payment. When you finance the closing costs, then, the last "Months to Recoup Costs" column shows how many months it will take to get the new loan balance back to your current loan's levels.

Any comments or suggestions on how to improve this post? Barring blogger limitations, I will do my best!

Mortgage Refinancing

I submitted my info to LendingTree.com a couple days ago and have been talking with mortgage people all yesterday. At the moment, the best rate I can get is 5.125% with 0 points. My current rate of 5.75% is already a decent rate, but refinancing would lower my minimum monthly payment by about $100, while increasing the amount of principal I pay each month. I would recoup my refinancing costs inside a year, but I'm still not sure if it's worth it.

The worsening economy hints that interest rates may fall further, but every month I wait, I'm effectively adding $100 to my closing costs. I'm not sure if refinancing works the same way as a first mortgage, but with my first one, it was best to close at the very end of the month to reduce the amount of prepaid interest you have to pay. Sometime next week I think I might be going to the Community Home Lending offices and discussing the timing of everything. It may be that I have a few weeks to think about it just waiting for an optimal closing date.

What are other people's thoughts on refinancing? Any questions I should definitely ask?